IGN asks William Shatner... should Khan be in the next movie?
"I think that would be... In my opinion, if it were me, I wouldn't go back to that well again," Shatner said. "I'm not saying that it can be done in a good way, but there's just so much imagination out there. There're so many new things that could be explored. Why tap into what's been done twice already?"
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Yes, Bill, I absolutely agree...why not GO FORWARD with Star Trek, rather than keep rehashing the same old crap over and over and over again...
Isn't Star Trek about exploring 'new things?' It doesn't make sense to remake that stuff... unless... and here's my crazy idea... for a different 'Star Trek' movie: (About Khan)
There will not be a single jerk actor from the last movie. It will not be directed by J.J. Abrams, and it will have nothing to do with the last movie.
(It could even be a TV series)
If they want to keep going back in time to the past, they love those prequels, how about a 'Star Trek Origins' series that has nothing to do with our crews... (probably better as a TV series though) ... you want prequels? Do a show which begins where Star Trek begins... all the way back... starting with the first Episode or Movie : "THE EUGENICS WARS." No Kirk, no Picard, no Enterprise. It would be a 'Star Trek Companion Series' about the origins of Star Trek. Yes, they 'did' this with 'Enterprise' which I didn't think was all that bad, but they did too much Time Travel crap. Make it a classy retro show. Forget Time Travel, just go back and visit the Eugenics Wars, Zefram Cochrane, WWIII, etc. The story is already there...
Otherwise, go far into the future, beyond the Next Generation, with the USS ENTERPRISE which has an entirely new kind of propulsion system beyond WARP drive. Where they go into the farthest reaches of space and meet aliens like...well...the 'alien' from ALIEN, or H.P. Lovecraft type unimaginable creatures which would most likely be found, both scientific and fascinating, cease the endless rehashing of old plots about the Prime Directive, about the race issues, and move the damn thing forward. Of course that would take some imagination...
Howabout an episode where the crew of the Future Enterprise goes way out beyond the galaxy, into deep space, and meets aliens which are not bipedal humanoids with all these run of the mill sociological issues? Howabout a ship of aliens whose atmosphere is water, or not oxygenated, or where they must attempt to communicate without translation devices...well some of this has been done, but not very well. Less 'light beings' taking over bodies on the ship, and kidnappings. Less political intrigue and more weirdness, so that the characters can take over the show. Show us an exotic Star Trek future where the things of TNG are archaic, phasers, warp drives and cloaking devices are old news. Take us to the real final frontier... beyond what we have seen for the last 25 years... I know a lot of Star Trek is social commentary, and that won't have to change just because the new ENTERPRISE is running into jellyfish cthulu aliens and unusual planetary phenomena that was previously unimaginable. Don't make it like Battlestar Galactica, or Voyager, or Stargate Universe, keep it bright, and keep it away from soap-opera. There is still more to tell in the Star Trek Universe, in the far past, or the far future, but damn this TIME TRAVEL and remake crap.
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I would love to see a new Star Trek series set in the future. In my opinion, prequels are very rarely a good thing. They tend to screw canon over and force the characters into being more "heroic" then they should.
ReplyDeleteTNG was great because it took what worked with TOS, and moved it forward. It was set in the future, so they could move technology forward and modernize the show.
But then, it's clear to me now they don't want to make good Trek, they want to milk the franchise by making cheap summer movies out of it. If we wanna see good Trek, then it might be better to look at fan fiction or fan made movies. I'm sure there's at least a few pearls out there.
I definitely agree that I would like to see a more 'imaginative' Star Trek than what we have seen lately, having yet another threat to Earth (Star Trek 2009) and focus on Romulans and Klingons (next ST movie).
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong, they are icons of Star Trek but they have been absolutely done to death in the series, movies, novels, comics, games etc.
And they are really aren't that interesting like some people make them out to be.
In Byrne's Doctor McCoy - Frontier Doctor mini series, one reviewer was complaining that Byrne wasn't tying the mini series more into main Star Trek, rather doing adventures involving new worlds, species and situations.
I am overreacting but I honestly thought "Dammit, not more of this crap. Not yet another whining demands for stuff that explains the develop of this situation, or that gadget, or just simply constant tie ins to the movies/series/etc".
Probably going to get some flak for this but I personally liked what Voyager did with Season 4 and the beginning of Season 5, using new interesting species and situations, but unfortunate didn't save a series that was already suffering here and there, and IMO it finished off the concept of the Borg Collective.
Anyway, back to the subject.
I do think a balance is possible between the imaginative stuff and Star Trek's human factor, political, and socio stuff which drew people to ST in the first place.
But to be honest I feel it would be wasted on a crowd who seem to be more into, explanations, tie ins, and overdone human drama.
Don't get me wrong, human drama can be good too, but lately there has been more focus on that than the actual exploration and wonder of space and its mysteries.
Sometimes I wonder why the hell they place this stuff in a space science fiction setting?
To have some shots of spaceships and space battles?
In fact the term science fiction might not be even accurate, space opera/drama would be far better.
Science Fiction has been made so mainstream in order to appeal to everyone who would normally shudder when hearing the words 'spaceship', 'alien' or 'robot', that it has lost most of what made it science fiction.
And in cases like BSG it worked, but I feel that people who are in it for the fantastic possibilities are given the finger by movie and television producers who are just rehashing human strife/drama in a future/space setting.
In fact I often wonder if these people really understand what science fiction is about.
They have no concept of the 'ultimate other', instead creating beings which are pretty much like us humans and driven by human similar motivations.
They have absolutely no concept what could drive a machine intelligence or alien creature which have different requirements and needs of us humans.
I feel that that is the case because they lack the imagination for that.
I think the biggest problem lies with the fact that everything has to appeal to the mainstream audience or the LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) as that is where the big bucks are.
This in turn results in creativity being trampled upon when it involves risks producers are not willing to take if it can cost them money rather than making it.
The pioneering spirit that led to creations like Star Trek and other beloved science fiction material has been killed or at least put on life support in the name of doing is save and profitable.
They need to put the "sci-fi" back into Star Trek. (Hell, they need to put the 'sci-fi' back into sci-fi these days, everything's a damn soap opera with shaky cameras and dark hallways).
ReplyDeleteRemember the old series, and how weird stuff was? Rock-creatures? Floating cubes? Creatures that feed on entire planets? Weird 'sci-fi' stuff, where they'd run into really imaginative things, which people like H.P. Lovecraft only previously conceived. It was 'science fiction.' Imaginative devices and technology, remember the phrase "Strange New Worlds?"
Nope. Its all laser gun fights and teen-romance and alpha-male conflicts and bar fights. What the hell is this? Science fiction is different than soap opera and traditional drama because its adds the element of the weird, the strange, the scientifically inconceivable. Not just because it 'takes place in the future' which for ABRAMSTREK, the future is a crappy place which looks pretty much like the one we have now, only with spaceships and a couple floating vehicles. Remember why it was called 'Star TREK?' Because it was a journey into the unusual, the 'out there.' Not because they needed to fly real fast and blow shit up.
I would agree. Trekweb and its band of flamers still love this piece of garbage. That site has no real fans. Trekmovie is by far the worst site yet. One comment against the 3 antiTrek amigos (Abrams,Orci and the gay guy) and they delete it.
ReplyDeleteNow they want to water down ST2 for the 90210 crowd. When did Trek fall so bad?
Search in google Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy.
ReplyDeleteAnd then, Star Trek XI (franchise reboot)
It's a gift for us.
A bad dream for nu treks.
Thanks for your job from Spain.
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ReplyDeleteI am the previous 'anonymous'(for some reason blogspot hates my AIM account).
Glad to see some other people who want to see some actual science fiction and mystery in 'Star Trek' or just in general.
Araashan, personally I think you can scratch ST novels off the list.
They do occasionally try to do something 'mysterious and new', but lately (or perhaps I am just starting to realize this myself and it has always been like this) the new civilizations and species have not been memorable, and I never hear from other readers about interesting situations.
Since I stopped buying ST novels blindly and wait for other people's reactions on them it is clear I don't have to spend my limit budget on most series.
The comics under IDW haven't been that good either, I found most of the mini-series and the one shot comics forgettable (and I did buy those) with the exception of the stories Byrne did which really seem to capture the spirit of classic ST.
Even DC Fontana's story lacked 'punch' for lack of a better description.
It is difficult to recommend anything printed really.
I liked the Marvel run in the 90's but that is when I started to buy ST comics so I am probably biased.
Early Voyages is still darn good though, you might want to check that one out, only sad it ends with a cliff hanger
Somebody's going to have to lay out which Voyager episodes to watch, and which ones to skip, because I'm not sitting through that unless somebody recommends stuff. Same with Deep Space Nine.
ReplyDeleteAs far as ENTERPRISE goes, there's a lot of people who don't like Scott Bakula, and hate that Doctor Guy who's in it. If you can't get past that, I can't really tell you what to do. Ultimately, I thought it was a decent Star Trek show, minus the every other episode where someone gets kidnapped.
However it became more about Social Commentary (which I liked) in later episodes, and less about the weird and the strange...